DISQUS

tom · 1 year ago

As a grad of a smal westrn unevrstie I was suprized at all the mispeld wurds by yu Harvard students. Maybe allot of the coments were by city folk who just like a good laugh and reed yor paper.

cmnsense · 1 year ago

A well stated argument and one that I happen to agree with. Frankly, I'm sick and tired of hearing of many institutions and often times our own government, continuously attempt to "take away" liberties that have been a cornerstone on the very foundation of what America was built on... Especially for minorities that represent a very small percentage of our overall population. You can't be everything to everyone!! You know the small dog who barks the loudest usually gets their way... kind of like the change from "Christmas Break" to "Holiday recess"... Thank you for expressing yourself on this topic and approaching it like you did. You're challenging the policy rather than the muslim community at large. Good Job!

matt c · 1 year ago

It's nice to see 6 (!!!!) students can impose their will on Harvard. How many students use the QRAC? I'd like to see the stats on that - 6 out of how many students?

If I was a student; I'd be livid. I'm assuming part of your tuition covers the cost of the gym. And now their telling you when you can and cannot go depending on your sex/religion. Well, I'd ask for part of my tuition back.

Hit them where it hurts, Harvard students.

Tom · 1 year ago

Mr. Wells, Would you like to know how to get the women's hours overturned immediately? Simply find a Christian group on campus to publicly release the following statement, "We welcome and enthusiastically support the new 'women's only' workout hours. Our Christian men and women support any attempt to promote modesty and other conservative moral values on our campus. We believe this action is pleasing in God's sight and and more rules of this type will benefit all students."

Kim · 1 year ago

I usually keep my thoughts to myself (being the mild mannered Christian that I am!), but the older I get, the more I have experienced and I have to say I agree with Tom's suggestion.

Joe · 1 year ago

Why doesn't the school just make separate hours for whites and blacks. How is it any different?

Curtis · 1 year ago

Whites and Blacks? how 'bout MUSLIMS! It's obvious to me that this is not about whites and blacks, rather a capitualtion to the Muslim Faith. Why you doesn't the article stop its' reticence and transparently say WHICH women they are doing this for? Afraid of being honest for fear of not being politically correct? Don't be afraid. It was the same reticence of the german people that allowed Hitler to advance his agenda of becoming a maniacal,psychopathic,dictator. Grow some stones my friends. Grow some stones!
Curtis

cwestlb · 1 year ago

I just saw my comment and cringed when I realized the typo " ...why YOU doesn't..." My Apologies.

ron · 1 year ago

Capitulating to a small minority is a sure way to destroy democracy.This is not a country where the few are supposed to control the many.This is anarchy of the minority at work.America cannot afford to let minorities set the rules for the rest of the population.These six Muslim women now control a portion of this university and they will be casting around for more.

Gts · 1 year ago

This is a tricky road that the university has gone down. Which rights do you infringe on and at what times do you infringe on them. In this case, you give the minority group (not referirng to race or sex, but purely numbers) the poor hours and the majority of gym users the good hours if you wish to make rules like this.

Seeing how this is a private university I can understand making rules like this, but this would insane to do in a public university where everyone should be seen as the same and everything is open to the public.

Different religions have different rules, but it is not an institutions responsibility to make special rules for a religion. It is a person's right to choose their own religion and when choosing said religion they need to realize that there maybe certain limitations on what they are able to do in the world. It is called personal accountability. Something I think most of the world has forgotten about.

magicarb · 1 year ago

How are those footbaths coming? If they haven't been requested yet, just wait...

allstar · 1 year ago

Another example of bleeding heart liberalism. Next it will be the nudists who want their own gym time. Then of course if the conservatives were smart (after all they are a minority at this school !) should demand their own. time ( not likely as doing this is not a conservative trait.)

Kerry · 1 year ago

This is sexism, and I am a feminist, yes an egalitarian feminist who resents special quotas and rules for gender, race or faith. The Muslim community can build its own private gym for Muslims, and not use tax paid dollars for discriminatory rules.

Bill · 1 year ago

My religion dictates that I work out in an empty builidng alone for eight hours a day. How does Harvard plan to accomodate me? (Oh, and remember, I'm ready to scream 'RELIGIOUS DISCRIMINATION' if my demands are not met !!)

You liberal academics crack the rest of us Americans up. You should know that most of the rest of the country are literally laughing at you.

Dave · 1 year ago

Thank you Mark. Liberal Academics are one of the biggest jokes of this great nation. So dumb they are, that they never even realize they are being laughed at.

Kendal · 1 year ago

An incredibly disappointing article. Wells makes sophomoric arguments about the mechanics of implementing the new rule, and stops there. He does not even touch upon the fundamental issue, the inherent conflict between the an individual's observance of a religion versus the community use of shared resources such as the QRAC. On what principles does Wells' arguments stand? The lofty moral imperative of convenience to whining undergraduates?

Erin · 1 year ago

With regards to females comfort levels in male dominated gyms, I went to a military academy, and used the gym regularly. Yes as a girl, I was intimidated at first, but I got over it. You can't live life avoiding areas that are male dominated. Additionally, I've seen plenty of women work out in yoga pants and long sleeved t-shirts. If Harvard wants to accommodate these women, then they should provide ample AC to keep them from getting over heated. If these women don't want to be around a lot of men, then they shouldn't go to a co-ed school.

Matt · 1 year ago

I'm going to put in a request at my office that everyone leave but me for an hour. It's my religion.

What a bunch of hooey.

daniel · 1 year ago

liberal cowards

Karen · 1 year ago

This is not the cluture of this country. We beleve in equality.

This is a case of some equality here, and a little more there and then a pinch there.

Jim · 1 year ago

I am born male, but am now a woman. Can I use the gym during these hours? Or can I have my own hours? I request I have 11am-1pm on Saturday and Wednesday.

Thanks for accommodating me.

K.G.B. · 1 year ago

The policy seems to decide the minority in the Quad are of less significance than the muslim minority. Why does equal seem to mean the same. The right not to "feel" uncomfortable does not exist. If a Jew feels uncomfortable around a Muslim, who gets to decide who stays and who goes? If a Christian feels uncomfortable around an agnostic who stays and who goes? Kant did declare a right to be left alone, but that was from the state. If the individual is not comfortable in public, stay home.

Tom · 1 year ago

This is an American university that has a world reknowned reputation of excellence and for 6 Muslim women, you restricted an entire gym for them. If 6 Caucasian females asked for the same, I wonder if they would have received the same? I wonder what the response would have been if they had gone to a private gym and requested the same? What makes these women think that the American male would look at them with lustful thoughts? What will Harvard do when the same females ask for a class just for them? Or a dorm for Muslim women only? Or a mosque on campus? Give them an inch, they'll take a yard them.

Vanessa · 1 year ago

What does being Caucasian have to do with religion? Why are you comparing religion to race? And these Muslim women are American too. You're being so over dramatic my dear, why would they ask for a separate class or dorm? wow... I mean I agree, they should not get special privileges but honestly can you stop being so over the top and islamophobic?

A · 1 year ago

For your question about what if 6 Caucasian women asked for the same (btw- i love how you assume that Muslim automatically means not Caucasian) why dont you ask why Bally Total Fitness or Curves have women's only areas?

Can we please not always see this as a Islamification of the West? Or the conquest for Sharia Law etc? I mean Orthodox Jews and Christians also appreciate having a women's only hours. Why the university doesnt offer for men is a very valid question to ask. But please lets not make this into a bigoted discussion.

Also, its funny how you treat the presence of a mosque on campus as a horrid thought. Thankfully, the world is not like all of you who are commenting on this list. Because if so, we'd be screaming about the presence of Memorial Church of Harvard Hillel. Or invoking notions of segregation with lines of "Separate yet Equal" about the fact that each dining hall has a Kosher-only fridge.

But no- thankfully, the majority of America is not like that.

Deana · 1 year ago

This is total discrimination...and I'm a woman! If modesty is so important to them, why didn't they go to an all girls' school? Get used to it people. The good old USA has lost its balls and we can't tell anyone no anymore...we might offend someone.

Darla · 1 year ago

Muslims are quite well known for making people bow to their demands. Why no difference at Harvard? Soon the cafeteria will have to serve food to their liking, prayer mats will be set up, and a mosque will be built on campus. Just look to London for what America can expect.

m. r. o'donnell · 1 year ago

Footbaths... You forgot to mention the obligatory footbaths for Muslims!

Charles · 1 year ago

I personally always wanted 'gay hours' when I was at Harvard. Forget integration and the heretofore popular liberal mass move toward unity without privilege; we need yet another new schism pandering to a whiny self-indulgent grating minority. So gay hours! Before we know it, we can dedicate each integral part of the university to an hourly system hell-bent on pleasing some fractionist.

Dman · 1 year ago

I wonder if Harvard administrators would have considered doing this for a group of 6 male students who felt uncomfortable or awkward in using a gym because of their body types or physical abilities?

Patch · 1 year ago

I am half-blind. I would like all of the doorways made wider so I don't bump into them on my blind side. Also I want curb feelers on the rowing machines so I'll know when some one is on my blind side. Nice to see another "liberal" institute of learning encouraging the, "2nd class citizen" treatment of women. I thought we got rid of seperate but equal. Lets go all the way, Shiria Law allows you to bet your wife if she gets out of line. Should they start a class on that too?

What a great American institution. WHERE ARE THE FEMINISTS?????

Patch · 1 year ago

Beat ^ sorry not bet.....

Susan · 1 year ago

Seems to me that with the proliferation of women only clubs and workout centers around, it is ridiculous for Harvard to set aside these hours. Sheesh! I would expect the feminists to be screaming over the inequality of this.

Dutch · 1 year ago

Muslims, love it or leave it!!

m. r. o'donnell · 1 year ago

"Hit them where it hurts, Harvard students."

Give me a break: Harvard is sitting on a legacy worth mulitple $billions: they don't need one penny of tuition money -- in fact I believe I read just last week that Harvard has stopped charging poorer students tuition altogether.

On the other hand, Harvard has accepted $millions from Saudi sheikhs. Of course, they will cave in to the demands of Muslim students.

Doug · 1 year ago

If they made "men's only" hours, the national media would be in an uproar and the aclu would be picketing off Allston.

Tom Rich · 1 year ago

It's totally unfair and here is why. Women working out in front of men is not against the Islamic faith.

The Islamic women are in no way prevented from using the gym whenever they want.

All men have been banned from using the gym whenever they want.

It's that simple. Those girls rights are in no way being violated. If they want segragation they should go live in a country where that's practiced. It's not praticed in the USA, didn't Martin Luther King die for this?

Men are bad, who cares about men? Men deserve to beaten down.. isn't that what this is really saying. You know the backlash to all this man bashing won't be pretty.

Oh, and you nandy pandy little boy that wrote this article, grow a pair. It's ok to be outraged by this, you don't have to couch your anger in PC BS.

bdulu · 1 year ago

Ahh the the tentacles of gender feminism reaching further and further to destroy any semblance of equality. And we scratch our heads and ask why young men avoid college these days. The Women's Center and its leadership should be given Larry Summers treatment immediately for its sexist misandry in forcing this policy on the campus. Using religious symptoms to reinforce the war on men is truly a new low.

Bill · 1 year ago

It's not nice to see segregation come back, but this time under the cover of political correctness.

Aaron Williams · 1 year ago

A few decades ago I couldn't have worked out there because I'm black. Now I can't work out there because I'm a man.

fed up · 1 year ago

Giving in to this very selfish, divisive, intolerant religion once again. They would always demand that their religious beliefs and sensitivities be respected, yet ask if Christians are allowed to have a Bible in this religion's birthplace? They even have a separate road for infidels like me, so I will not get into their holy place. Christians are not allowed to worship. Think what they'd do if Christians demand the same way as they do. I blame Christians for bowing to their demands and accepting that a Christian's faith is inferior or of less importance and bearing. What are these 6 doing in a co-ed anyway? They are not supposed to mingle with men according to their belief, aren't they? So they should either go back to all girl's school or stay at home, that's what they are taught anyway, that women should be at home and making babies, nothing else.

Mushroom · 1 year ago

hahahaha. Another stupid rule being accomodated by an american.

KBG · 1 year ago

this is crazy. harvard is becoming more like IRAN or SAUDI ARABIA. This is the kind of crap they pull. Next you will need a religious and vice police to punish men for talking to muslim women. This country should not bow to muslim demands anymore.

TJ · 1 year ago

You people whine...a lot. How many of you have actually been inconvenienced by the change in hours? Mr. Wells keeps repeating the same argument over and over again. The majority of people in the Quad have been inconvenienced. How many people exactly? 20? 30? 150? Did Mr. Wells even bother to contact the gym to ask why they chose those hours specifically? Not once did Mr. Wells suggest an alternate solution. In fact, not one of you has come up with a solution. All you’ve done is whine. Have any of you bothered to think that given the number of private gyms that have women's only sections, there is a demand for it. There is probably a demand for it there, but instead of speaking up, most women stayed quiet, or joined a private gym that has a women’s only section. Now that six women have based their request on "religion" everyone is up in arms about it. Get over yourselves. Concessions are constantly made for all walks of life. There’s a saying: “You can please some of the people all of the time; all the people some of the time; but you can’t please all of the people all of the time.” Instead of bitching about the problem, why don’t you try to find a solution?

Moose23 · 1 year ago

Grew up in the sixties when women fought for and gained equality with men in many aspects of life and now here come the Muslims and we are forced to turn back the clock . WTF?

James and Petey · 1 year ago

I'd like to bring my dog named "Petey" to me when I work out Monday-Friday 7am-8am.
I'm sure there are many other animal lovers who would also like these hours to be reserved for animal workouts.

paul S from Ithaca · 1 year ago

New synonym for Harvard: Chamberlain. Wow. Talk about "precisely wrong versus vaguely right...do you really think that Muslim WOMEN are driving this discussion point??? WOW. I used to look up to Harvard. Now, I look to conservatives that aren't afraid to be politially incorrect. Be careful what you wish for as this PC world will bring you more than you bargained for...

Alli · 1 year ago

If conservative Christians or any other religion besides Islam wanted separate Gym hours for women, Harvard would have never complied. Obviously, Harvard is very afraid of muslims.

Dave · 1 year ago

More equality hypocrisy. Minorities want to be treated "equal" unless they don't get what they want, in which case they're "special." Pick one. You're either totally equal with the rest of us, or you're special and get treated as such. You can't have it both ways.

LTC8K6 · 1 year ago

When are the hours for Jewish women?

Kimberly · 1 year ago

OK IM am SO TIRED of this...... what is happening in OUR COUNTRY?????? WHY do we continaully cater to every minute detail of ones religious beliefs????? If they cannot work out around MEN then that is thier CHOICE!!!!!! what if "they" couldnt eat next to someone eating a ham sandwhich ARE THEY GOING TO BOYCOTT the CAFETERIA????? ATTENTION starting 3-4-08 THERE WILL BE NO EATING OF HAM IN TEH LUNCH ROOM FROM 12-1pm for those who eat ham sandwhiches pm yes we realize thats the only time you have for your ham sandwhich lunch we suggest the ham sandwhich lovers adapt or eat between classes just not in lunch room between 12-1pm !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

lwm · 1 year ago

How many of these muslim "women" are really going to work out? Thats right - maybe 1 or 2 then none!. Of all the years of teaching fitness I have never had a religious muslim woman in class - I had mainstream muslim women in class previosly. Those who are extremely religious do not work out. Once again we are bending to those who do not want to assimilate and we bend to change to suit them. I certainly hope someone will fire back with a discrimination suit.

Dopey · 1 year ago

This is a regression to our society. Before it was the blacks and the women who wanted the same rights as the white male. now with that being said, I don't understand how and why an very highly rated college would do this. As being American, these types of women and their religious beliefs are fine, but religion doest always accommodate. Example, I'm Christian and 1 of the commandments is to not murderer. I would impose and sue every school that allows a shooting on their campus because they are imposing on my religious beliefs. Are we as Americans who are Muslims doing anything about the Muslim religion in the middle east, where according to them its ok to kill? Did we forget to why we are going to college? This is regression, not progression. This sounds like discrimination all over it. I believe the Muslims want rights, then they need to go after the Muslims that make them out to be bad. Go on an airplane, and if you see a Muslim, you automatically think he's a terrorists. think about it. Religion is so very messed up. It brain washes people from what is actually the right thing to do.

Scott A · 1 year ago

I am upset because this policy seems to demonize men. Islamic women who are uncomfortable around men should not go to places where they are. The problem is not men and women working out together, it is the feelings of muslim women. The gym should be open to ALL at all times. If muslims don't feel comfortable there, then they can make the conscious decision to work out someplace where they do feel comfortable.

Mark · 1 year ago

Some people do not feel comfortable working out with other people around. I am one of those. However, I will not demand that my gym make a "me only" set of hours to accomodate my comfort level. These 6 ladies need to get over themselves. Workout at home if you don't feel comfortable showing some skin around other people. When the few control the many, that is when there is no longer a democracy.

Kenny · 1 year ago

Well me and my ugly fat buddies want our own dedicated time to workout so that the ladies can't see how white our fat legs really are and how much we swear just by walking around the gym. We thank these 6 girls for motivating us to fight for our right to workout without feeling insecure around the hot girls on campus.

steven · 1 year ago

what 's the big deal, i say let evryone have there own prviate hours, maybe we can serve beer an wine from 1pm to 3pm that would make alot of students comfortable

Gar · 1 year ago

If Harvard wants to help muslim women honor their faith in the gym, then they should advise them to enroll in a women's college or reimburse part of their campus fee which could be applied to a membership at a women's gym. Or let the Women's Center use some of it's funds to build a women's only gym.

TCB · 1 year ago

Perhaps we'll soon find out that Mulsims prefer not to work out with Jews. How about you students who paid your tuition and fees, which, at the time you paid them, included access to the gym during ALL of its hours? Who has the guts to stand up and sue the school for breach of contract and for discrimination based on religion? Where does this nonsense end? With Jews insisting that the cafeteria have 'kosher-only' hours? Christians insisting on the right to work out without gay students? Of course, these examples will never take place, for we all know that Harvard will cater to the Muslims in ways that Harvard wouldn't dream of catering to other groups. This all comes down to liberal America hatred. Shame on what might as well now be known as Quisling University.

wtf · 1 year ago

wow. just wow.

what's next -- partitions for men and women in the classrooms and cafeterias?

pat · 1 year ago

Muslims need to understand that when they continue to make demands such as this, THEY are the cause of "Islamaphobia". Keep your faith and beliefs to yourself. You want segregation, go to a woman's only school. You want to pray 5 times a day..do it silently. You do not want to eat pork - order a salad. Get it? It's really easy! And I guarantee we'll all get along famously.

Patch · 1 year ago

Freedom means just that. They are Free to stay home. But they are not Free to demand special Rights that take Rights away from others. It matters because "Intolerance" is being hidden behind "Tolerance." Martin Luther King wanted "Equal Rights" not "Special Rights." That the subjugation of women is being hidden behind a religion doesn't make it right. That is why this is important. That is why this kind of official sanctioning of UnAmerican behavior has to be fought.

ML · 1 year ago

What's next?

I do not think this is a smart step. I think it is riduculous to infringe on the rights of the other students. I am all for everyone practicing whatever religion they want as long as it does not affect others around them. This affects others. I think it is a terrible precedent that is taking us backwards.

Amber · 1 year ago

What I don't understand is everywhere I look is separation of Church/state/school. Why are the Muslim women exempt from this?

Hijabi · 1 year ago

I am a Muslim, and though I support this move for women-only hours, even to me it seems a bit unfair to everyone else that the whole gym has to be closed. A more effective solution could be to have a few rooms with women only hours, and the rest open to the public. I mean, I don't think these 6 Muslim women are going to play basketball, so they can open up the courts.

But still, even though part of the reason for thsi new rule is due to the modesty and comfort level of Muslims, I would think that would apply to a lot of women in general. I mean, my non Muslim friends and I work out together at a women's only gym in San Francisco because we all feel uncomfortable going to a gym, veing someone's eye candy. It just makes you less self concious. So even though this rule did come about at the suggestion of Muslim women, other people can definitely take advantage of this.

egalois · 1 year ago

The original op-ed seems to miss the point. The issue is not about hours or fractions of hours, etc. The real issue is that a group of people are hypocritically hijacking liberal democratic values to subvert those very liberal democractic values they use as a shield. The example of Hitler gets over-used, but I think it's appropriate here: The Nazis obtained control over German institutions and culture not with force alone ... they used democractic means to destroy democracy. Of course it was a 'good cop, bad cop' routine ... the Nazis always had an implied (or direct) threat to use violence if German parlimentarians, bureaucrats, et al., didn't give in.

Notice any similarities with Muslims?

I graduated from Harvard and now live in Europe. Despite American liberals' fantasies about a 'secular European paradise,' the fact of the matter is that Europe is not secular: It is increasingly Islamic. Muslims -- including supposedly 'moderate' ones -- have hijacked European traditions and principles of freedom and tolerance in order to implement aspects of Sharia law, the kidnapping of young Muslim women for the purpose of forced marriages and (even) 'honor' killings, etc. And don't forget that the key players in 9-11 terrorist attacks were Muslims who had studied in Europe. Don't even get me started on the Madrid bombing, London bombings, etc.

It's the 'good cop, bad cop' routine that the Nazis used ... Muslims try to wrap themselves around rights, freedoms, liberalism, democracy, tolerance, etc. (which, BTW, they wouldn't extend to Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, Atheists, Agnostics, Homosexuals, etc.) in order to subvert and destroy those very values they so cynically hijack. And there is always that pregnant pause ... 'or else' ... the implied (or direct) threat that they will hijack airplanes, buses, trains, Sbarro pizza parlours, etc.

Being familiar with Harvard students (having been one myself), I know that it isn't just political correctness that is preventing people from speaking honestly about all of this. It is career-ism ('what if I have to get a job in Qatar for McKinsey?'), elitism (never having experienced anything outside of their pampered upbringing -- apologies to the few students like me who were working class -- how can they process what's really going on?), and, frankly, fear ... look at Salman Rushdie, the row over the Dutch newspaper cartoon, the film director (and descendant of the artist, Vincent) Theo Van Gogh (who was murdered in the Netherlands -- an uber-liberal European country) , etc.

If you think I'm an overwrought American ex-pat in Europe, just look to the North: In Canada, a respected columnist (Mark Steyn) writing in a respected newsmagazine (Maclean) is getting threatened with laws against hate speech when, in fact, his column wouldn't be out-of-place in the New York Times or the Washington Post:

BBC News:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/72738...

The original op-ed (read it before it gets banned):
http://www.macleans.ca/article.jsp?content=2006...

(BTW, Maclean also had an article suggesting that Christianity should reject Jesus ... I'll bet you that they won't be getting the death threats and lawsuits to censor them that they would, and have gotten, from Muslims.)

Frankly, I am more afraid of the Muslims (the supposed 'moderates') who hijack liberal democracy than the ones who hijack airplanes and public transport. At least Al-Qaeda has the decency to not cynically hide behind 'rights,' 'tolerance,' etc. while their supposedly more 'moderate' brethren -- and apparently sisters in the case of Harvard -- do while they are hypocritically destroying those values.

Jon Miranda · 1 year ago

When women are exluded, it's sexism. When men are excluded, it's defended.
Why is it okay to have a women only room? That's not any better than this. I was a member at a Bally's that decided to make a room for women only. I protested and used it anyway. If I am in a co-ed gym and pay my dues, I should be able to go anywhere except the female locker rooms.

Mark H · 1 year ago

Once again the needs of the few out weight the many. If the Muslim women don't like the workout times then they need to find another university. Why should Harvard cave to political correctness once again? Harvard as lost it's place among the elite now its only ordinary.

Vir · 1 year ago

I cannot believe for the life of me that there is not one single comment in favor of the accomodations made by Harvard. I am also suprised at the ignorance displayed in some of these posts. Someone saying this is a waste of taxpayer money. Are you kidding me?! Harvard is not a state school buddy. As for the Muslim women "getting over it", I would like to note that Islam does not allow women to wear reveiling clothing around men. It's rules, not just comfort. School's have moved test days and accomodated for Jewish and Mormon faithes, and I applaud the American university system as a whole for flexibility while dealing with religion. I would imagine that only a small fraction of people posting here actually attend Harvard. Please have some compassion people. As for Patch's statements on Sharia Law (notice the correct spelling), the Bible states
Exodus 22:18 Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.
Matthew 10:34 "Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword." -Jesus Christ
There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses.
-- Ezekiel 23:20 (NIV)

Patch · 1 year ago

Sorry you offended by my spelling Vir. I was working out and trying to type at the same time.
If you read all of Matthew chapter 10, you'll understand what Jesus was saying. He knew his teachings of PEACE would not be accepted by everyone. That those tha
t felt threatened by Jesus's teachings would want to destroy his followers. He wasn't saying that his followers should behead everyone that is a non-believer.

Exodus is full of rules and punishments. When was the last time you've heard of a
Christian killing a witch? You lost me on the whole genitals comment. I am not sure how that ties into the conversation.

If you want to have a Dialog about Sharia Law( I added the A just for you Vir, Feels good dosen't it?) then lets have one.

Currently in the News an Iranian Homo-sexual is trying to get assylum in the U.K. Why is that important you ask? Well because his Iranian lover was just found guilty of sodomy and hanged. Under Sharia Law that is the punishment for being a Homo-sexual.
Under Sharia Law you are allowed to leave the muslim religion, only after you are put to death.
Under Sharia Law anyone who critizises Islam, Mohammed, The Koran or Sharia Law is to be put to death.
Under Sharia Law crimes are punished "eye for an eye", literally. If you are caught stealing you lose a hand.
Under Sharia Law all drinkers and gamblers should be whipped.
Under Sharia Law unmarried fornicators are to be whipped and adulterers are to be stoned to death.
The list goes on and on.

So Vir, kind of a slight difference from, "Do unto others" and "Thou shall not kill."

So we should have compassion and tolerance for a Law that teaches no mercy and intolerance. Odd.......
(hope you find all of my grammatical errors....have fun)

esn · 1 year ago

thank you for speaking vir! i'm always amazed by the extraordinary hate that comes out in anonymous postings.

who cares? · 1 year ago

Hmm.. what happened to all the "we believe in freedom ..rights"? Ok.. I see thats total crap.. people why do u care its only a few hours out of 70 .. Why is it such a big issue? I think this is about the girls wanting to check out guys @ the gym hours and vice versa .. or else does it really matter? Anyway alot of women (non muslim) can also enjoy some time without icky guys all around ..